When will HiveOS 6.6 be released?

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Just wondering when HiveOS 6.6 is scheduled to be released.
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Is there a particular fix that you're after/waiting on?
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Hi Jeff,
I was going to wait until next week before announcing this, but since you asked...

We are on track for releasing HiveOS (and HiveManager) version 6.6r1 starting next week. We are NOT planning to "fly the bee" for this release.

If you have older (100-series and AP320/340) access points, you should carefully evaluate whether the new features introduced in this release are needed in your environment. If not, I personally suggest you wait another couple months for the HiveOS 6.5-based maintenance releases. Our plans going forward are to make THAT the long-term supported branch for these older CPU- and memory-constrained platforms. We will wait until that software is available before we "fly the bee".

Of course, HiveManager 6.6 will manage platforms running HiveOS 6.5 or earlier just fine.
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Will 6.6 be supported on the SR2048 switches? How about the AP121.
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Jeff,
Yes, and no. The supported platforms are AP130, AP230, AP330, AP350, AP1130, BR200, BR200-WP, BR200-LTE-VZ, VPN Gateway Appliance, VPN Gateway Virtual Appliance, SR2024, SR2024P, SR2124P, and SR2148P.

I am sorry, but the 121 will not be supported by this release. When we began the release development we included the AP121/141, but during the development we discovered that these (and other platforms with <256MB of memory such as AP170) had insufficient free memory available for sustained proper operation. 
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Mike,
So just to be clear.  

You state "HiveManager 6.6 will manage platforms running HiveOS 6.5 or earlier just fine".

So... We will still be able to maintain our non-supported APs (AP141/170/340/370/390s which is ~1/2 of our APs) on HiveOS 6.5-based maintenance releases, and manage them along with our supported APs (AP230/350/1130s) on HiveOS 6.6r1+ using HiveManager 6.6r1+ releases.  With the limitation being that some newer feature will be unavailable on the APs running the HiveOS 6.5-based maintenance releases.

Correct?
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Is the list of new features available at this time?
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I don't believe so. Suspect that you'll have to wait until next week.
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I heard VLAN pooling is being added to this release. I could use it in my environment.
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Which AP models do you have?
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AP121 and AP330
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VLAN Pooling will be support on the AP330 with the 6.6 release.
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What does "fly the bee" mean?
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It means that you are visually prompted by a flashing bee in HiveManger to update if you want to. You click on the bee to start the update.
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Thanks
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Hi Mike,
Can you please define for me and give me a better understanding of what "HiveOS 6.5-based maintenance releases" are, as I would have assumed that the 6.6r1 release would have these incorporated in it.
Cheers
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Kent,
Early in the development of HiveOS 6.6r1 we tried building images for AP370/390 so it is possible that your source saw that and assumed these platforms would be supported by that release, but as the HiveOS Product Manager I can assure you that there is no AP370/390 image that will be in the commercial release of HiveOS 6.6r1.

There were just too many issues. This platform is different enough under the skin from the rest of our product line that it was consuming way too much of our development and test resources compared to everything else. Some things could not re-use existing code, and we had to completely redevelop that for this platform. 

The AP370/390 WILL be supported by the HiveOS 6.5 release train. We are already hard at work on 6.5r2 and are far enough along that I expect to install it on the AP390 on my desk possibly as early as next week.
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Thanks Mike for your clarification over the 370's, so I am correct in saying that the 370's will go straight from HiveOS Version 6.0r2f to 6.5r2?
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Yes, that's the plan.
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I personally think that it's awesome that Mike is giving us this candid and upfront feedback about future development/maintenance plans for HiveOS publicly. Many companies just don't do this. I feel that it's always far more frustrating to not know what's happening.

I hope, therefore, that people won't see this as a possible opportunity to try to bash him over the head having been given some clarity.

From my point of view, it would be nice if improvements that don't impose tangible additional resource constraints and that don't require much-if-any platform specific customisation could be cherrypicked and ported to the 6.5 branch once shown to be stable.

By that I mean those changes that 'make the product do the right thing' but that don't strictly fall under the umbrella of the grey 'it's a bug' classification.

Nick
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It's great to see the clarification, kudos to Mike - I can't wait until the longsuffering AP370 customers can get somewhere near feature parity.
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Hi Kent,

The HiveOS 6.6r1 branch, and any subsequent newer branches, will almost certainly be a superset of the features in the 'LTS' HiveOS 6.5r1 branch that Mike has helpfully revealed to us.

I would have thought that the 'LTS' releases are therefore logically going to be more relevant to Aerohive's older 802.11n APs that have resource constraints meaning that they aren't likely to be getting HiveOS 6.6r1, or newer.

Yours,

Nick
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Thanks Nick that all makes sense, it was just I'd never come across the term and wanted to make sure. ;)
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Hi, 

Will HiveOS 6.6r1 be released to AP370/390 as well? 

Best regards
Joakim 
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Joakim,
The AP370/390 uses a different chipset than all of our other 802.11ac products, and is unlikely to ever advance beyond the HiveOS 6.5 release train.
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As the AP390 is the only 802.11ac access points (excluding the rugged AP1130) that supports external antenna do you feel that not supporting all the new 6.6 features in the 6.5 firmware will leave a weakness in the Aerohive product line?  Or will the 6.5 firmware get the 6.6 features implemented once they have been "field tested" in the 6.6 firmware?
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This is something I would be interested in as well since our relatively (less than a year) new environment is made up mostly of 390s
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I agree with Crowdie, there must be an option for a metallically enclosed 802.11ac AP, capable of connecting external antennae, that will be supported in future releases. From the beginning of Aerohive's existence, we've had AP20s and 340s, then AP350s, and finally 370s to deploy in our warehouses where, frankly, an AP1130 would be insufficient from a coverage standpoint (2x2 vs. 3x3 radios), and overkill environmentally speaking.
It appears only our AP350s (nothing newer) will be supported on 6.5 and beyond.  

Best,
BJ
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I'm slightly surprised that there has been no announcement about the release in the community, but... HiveManager 6.6r1 and HiveOS 6.6r1 images are available for download in the Support Portal under Software Downloads.

There are a good set of changes in the release.

Nick
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D'oh! I'm so lame, sometimes. My bad; stay tuned, coming up.
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Sorry for the thread necro but...
I really would like to have an 6.6r1 firmware for the AP121, since this fixes the radius bug (CFD-1079).
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Edwin,
The AP121/141 won't get HiveOS 6.6, they will be supported for their remainder of their production life on the HiveOS 6.5 branch.

The upcoming version 6.5r3 will include the same fix for CFD-1079 as in version 6.6r1 (I just double-checked, it has already been checked-in and verified as fixed). We expect to release this version before US Thanksgiving.
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What about AP170s?  They are either 6.2r1b or 6.1r6f.  Will they get a new version that has the same fix?
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They'll get 6.5r3 and subsequent maintenance releases in that golden 'LTS' branch.
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So...I know this is 5 months old, but the AP141s shouldn't be upgraded past 6.4 unless you want some major networking issues? 
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So 6.5 should be safe, but 6.6 isn't for the AP141s?
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Correct. The 802.11n platforms are stopping at the HiveOS 6.5 feature-set. They will continue to get bug-fixes going forward, but new feature development will be on the 802.11ac hardware going forward.
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Tier 3 support has told us under no circumstance should we upgrade our AP141s to anything higher than 6.4...when we did it caused constant network loops.
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Okaaay. Yes, you should always trust someone with more knowledge of your environment and specific situation over generic advice on a forum.
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I agree with Mike; your specific environment and configuration may warrant that you do not upgrade past 6.4, but that doesn't mean that is the same for everyone else. We have around 4800 AP121s (same as AP141s but internal antennas instead of external), and they are running 6.5r3a with only 1 issue. Our issue is with Bonjour Gateway and high CPU utilization that sporadically occurs. Since we don't heavily use BG, I haven't spent anytime troubleshooting it. I just disable it when it occurs. If I ever have the time to investigate it, I'll look into it more.