Used Aerohive Home Lab

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I want to have my own home lab for Aerohive.
Since I am not working now. I want as cheap as possible
These are my plan.
-Buy used Aerohive AP from ebay
-use HiveManager vm for ESXi

QUESTIONS
1. sales said I can't buy from eBay because not supported.
Actually doesn't matter for me if not supported as long as can be used and can try all its features.
What's other cheap alternative then
2. Is HiveManager vm free to download or need a contract
3. In Cyberoam or SonicWall, I can download firmware without contract. How in AeroHive
4. Aerohive said its controllerless. Is it like Meraki which cloud based, but we need to pay every year.
5. If HiveManager is not controller. What it does actually beside apply firmware or policy to all APs.
What will happen to users if HiveManager vm down or HiveManager cloud disconnected
6. Do I need to have 2 HiveManager for redundancy
7. Forum said AeroHive AP can be functioned as Radius server.
Can I have 2 APs as Radius server and those AP sync its data
8. Can I have 1 ssid, but when user1 connect he got vlan10 and for user2 got vlan20. Aruba and Cisco can do that
9. In Cisco WLC, I can have MAC Filtering. How in Aerohive.
What I mean is, let say my boss have no restriction. I will clone my boss MAC address, so that I have same privilege as my boss
10. Can Aerohive do app prioritizing. For example I want voice traffic will be prioritize than torrent one. If not mistaken Aruba can do that.
11. If client asking what benefit I can got if I buy Aerohive compare to Aruba or Ruckus.
What should I answer

thanks
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1. sales said I can't buy from eBay because not supported.
Actually doesn't matter for me if not supported as long as can be used and can try all its features.
What's other cheap alternative then
If this is for a short term - you should perhaps approach your local  Aerohive  reseller for a pilot or trial which should come with all the bells and whistles for  lab environment. 

2. Is HiveManager vm free to download or need a contract
I would have thought this needs a support contract.

3. In Cyberoam or SonicWall, I can download firmware without contract. How in AeroHive
You are best off approaching a reseller or contact Aerohive.

4. Aerohive said its controllerless. Is it like Meraki which cloud based, but we need to pay every year.

All APs are by nature 'fat' clients and capable of independent operations. The Management plane ('Hivemanager') can resider on a vm or Aerohive's cloud services for which you pay an annual cost. 
Aerohive will function without the hivemanager (once configured) but config changes cannot happen without the hivemanager . Unless of course you fancy diving into the CLI. 


5. If HiveManager is not controller. What it does actually beside apply firmware or policy to all APs.
What will happen to users if HiveManager vm down or HiveManager cloud disconnected

It would be a nice GUI for managing configs,getting performance information and generally making you forget there is a ton of cli stuff happening under the hood. The VM is a CentOS hardened appliance on which the HM runs. 

Users would continue to work if the Hivemanager is disconnected. You will not be able to make changes (en masse) if the Hivemanager is offline. But operations would continue . Just don't  add or delete users. 

Hivemanager also supports multitenancy - you can split a Hivemanager into further (virtual) hivemanagers to manager different Aerohive installations.


6. Do I need to have 2 HiveManager for redundancy

Not necessary thought you can add one more as HA pair. The traffic to/fro the Hivemanager is rather low and as long as you have a reasonable backup plan in place (vm level / database to FTP and so on)  redundancy is really not required. See above : you can recover at leisure. 

Or run it on AWS  - at which point you might as well use Aerohive's offering.

7. Forum said AeroHive AP can be functioned as Radius server.
Can I have 2 APs as Radius server and those AP sync its data

I believe  you can.  When you define Aerohive  APs  as Radius servers   sync process is automatic . 

8. Can I have 1 ssid, but when user1 connect he got vlan10 and for user2 got vlan20. Aruba and Cisco can do that
Yes of course. 

Private PSK. Aerohive's implementation of this 'single SSID multiple users' was carried out way before anyone else in the industry. You can use built in user groups to steer users or reuse Radius attributes .

9. In Cisco WLC, I can have MAC Filtering. How in Aerohive.
What I mean is, let say my boss have no restriction. I will clone my boss MAC address, so that I have same privilege as my boss

This is fairly basic function in Aerohive to implement. MAC filters are present in Aerohive but you would probably add an additional Security layer to work with that. There is no workaround for MAC cloning - which is a weakness of the method rather than Aerohive.

There is a limit of 256 Mac Addresses per SSID on Aerohive.


10. Can Aerohive do app prioritizing. For example I want voice traffic will be prioritize than torrent one. If not mistaken Aruba can do that.

QoS is supported on Aerohive. 

11. If client asking what benefit I can got if I buy Aerohive compare to Aruba or Ruckus.
What should I answer

Research. Ask for Demo kit from each of the suppliers and pricing.

From my understanding, Aerohive has excellent scalable infrastructure with tons of features but potentially  documentation that can be improved with  working examples. Community support is good and the licensing model is straightforward. 

No experience of Aruba .

Ruckus has a good user friendly controller interface and innovative models (like socket plug  in wifi APs) that blend into office environment.

Another contender you should perhaps research is Fortinet Wireless Solutions.  Simple , inexpensive and easy to configure depending on your requirements. 



Good luck.
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Is HiveManager vm free to download or need a contract
You need an activation license and an access point license.  When you purchase initially you get a single license that activates the HiveManager VM and licenses a specific number of access points.

In Cyberoam or SonicWall, I can download firmware without contract. How in AeroHive
These are available from the Aerohive Support website.
Aerohive said its controllerless. Is it like Meraki which cloud based, but we need to pay every year.
Meraki is not controller less.  The Meraki controller is cloud based hence when your subscription ends you are left with expensive paper weights.

If you have a cloud based HiveManager management server (called HiveManager Online or HMOL for short) then you pay a yearly subscription which covers access to the HMOL, new firmware and the hardware support.

If you have an on-premise HiveManager (appliance or VM) you need the licenses specified earlier.  Once you have the licenses you don't pay again.
Can Aerohive do app prioritizing. For example I want voice traffic will be prioritize than torrent one. If not mistaken Aruba can do that.
Each Aerohive access point has a layer seven firewall with deep packet inspection.  These combine with the Aerohive QoS to do what you described.
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You can - partly depending on the model - run one of the access points as a hivemanager. This doesn't work with the latest firmware - but does up until - I think - the last release of version 5 - using AP330 access points works. I think with AP120 units you are limited to version 3.4r5

You need to use "putty.exe" to get to the command line (CLI) interface.  Ideally setup a DHCP server so you have control over its IP address after doing a reset with a paper clip. Alternatively, it will default to something that is documented. Type ENABLE HIVEUI and then on a new line enter RESET. The Hivemanage will then start.  The whole experience will be unbelievably frustrating, because the software is quite slow and the native hivemanager is a lesson in "how NOT to design a user interface".  Adding a second access point will probably result in both access points sequentially rebooting. However with lots of patience it will (and I can vouch for this) does work. Actually... if you like script commands you might decide its better to simply use the CLI to program them.

You might decide that you could write a much better web interface once you have  taught yourself to use the CLI script.  Maybe you won't get it to do everything their subscription based hivemanager does - but it will almost certainly be easier to use.