counting people

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With meraki you can count people: not only those that actually connect, but everybody with a smart phone in their pockets. I want to know how many walk by, how long they stay, how many connect, if they are new or regular visitors... How do I do that with my aerohives?
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That sounds really, really creepy! I'd hate for such a feature to be implemented by Aerohive!

This also would not work where MAC addresses have been randomised to limit passive snooping on devices that aren't associated. (iOS 8 is an example of where this is being done today.)

Randomisation is happening increasingly due to privacy concerns. In my opinion, such concerns are completely legitimate.

I know that a patch has made it to wpa_supplicant that Android uses to implement a similar form of randomisation. It will likely trickle down to consumers as the code makes its way in to release.
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Nick,
I personally agree with you that is creepy. HOWEVER, Aerohive does support this type of Presence or Locationing service via our partnership with Euclid Analytics

This capability is NOT built into the general-availability HiveManager, it is available to our "retail" customers and those who desire this functionality and who request for Presence to be enabled on their HiveManager Online account. We move those customers' VHMs to a separate pool of "retail" HMOL servers.
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Thanks for the clarification and correction, Mike! :)

I knew that there is an integration available with Euclid Analytics but had never looked in detail as to its full set of capabilities. So that's, honestly, a bit of blissful ignorance on my part!

I had, clearly naively, assume that Euclid Analytics would only track associated clients...

I should have been more specific therefore, I meant only that I hate to see 'features' that track unassociated devices - not any tracking and analytics that takes place when clients are associated. There's a form of consent at that point.

Personally, I think it is only fair game and reasonable to track those who actually associate.

Roll on more randomisation!
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Here's the patch series for wpa_supplicant for those who are interested:

[PATCH 0/5] Add support for MAC address randomization in scan
http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2014-December/031616.html

[PATCH 1/5] driver: Add definitions for MAC address randomization in scan
http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2014-December/031617.html

[PATCH 2/5] nl80211: Handle MAC address randomization in scan
http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2014-December/031618.html

[PATCH 3/5] scan: Add MAC address randomization in scan handling
http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2014-December/031619.html

[PATCH 4/5] ctrl_iface: Add MAC address randomization in scan processing
http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2014-December/031620.html

[PATCH 5/5] wpa_cli: Add MAC address randomization in scan
http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2014-December/031621.html
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There's further changes in iOS 9 to improve randomisation:

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